… and SGE goes 90-day trial license …

SGE, aka, Sun Grid Engine, is the latest bit of HPC collateral damage in the Oracle digestion of Sun. This is not to say its going away, Dan Templeton has a nice post on his site indicating that they have a roadmap and a future.

Its just that it is no longer open source. You can’t use it for more than 90 days w/o a paid license from Oracle.

Whoops.

This said, the GE community is stepping up to do something about this, though my concern is that Oracle could lean on them a little.

This isn’t a good thing for SGE users (we are/have been one) who use the open source version.

I need to check a few other products we’ve been using in a similar view. If we need to convert to something else, we will. Torque isn’t terrible (my bad experiences with its predecessor from years ago not withstanding), and there are a few others.

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9 thoughts on “… and SGE goes 90-day trial license …

  1. In addition to Torque, check out SLURM and also Condor, which seems to have a new lease on life.

    As an ISV, we support SGE, Torque, PBS Pro, Platfrom LSF and SLURM for on-site use and Condor for use with CycleCloud. We’re considering making the minor mods that will allow us to use Condor for on-site use.

    The problem with Torque, from our point of view, is that it doesn’t have hooks that allow us to do license checking — that is, to have the queuing system delay job startup until it knows that sufficient floating licenses are available. Moab, the commercial job scheduler that you can get with Torque, has this. SGE, LSF and PBS Pro have it. To be honest, I’m not sure about SLURM and Condor, but I suspect Condor, at least, is flexible enough to support it.

  2. Joe, do you have any supporting evidence for this? There’s nothing about it on either sunsource or the Oracle site. Dan Templeton’s blog posting implies this this is all speculation based on http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/sun_hpc_cuts_systems/, but nothing in that article refers to SGE. I didn’t find anything about a removal from free use in a quick Google search, either.

    In particular, what is the source of the assertion, “You can???t use it for more than 90 days w/o a paid license from Oracle.”?

    -P.

  3. @Peter

    This has been discussed on the mailing list over the last 2 days. I am just getting caught up with it now. Looks like its about to fork, if it hasn’t already.

  4. I’ld like to share this on VizWorld, but I can’t find anything to corroborate the 90-days & license change. I browsed themailing list and found some reference to something like a Fork coming up, but nothing on the license change. Can you provide a URL for reference?

  5. Found the discussion about the change to 90 day license:

    “[…]the open source based courtesy binaries of Grid Engine 6.2u5 come with a
    free, unlimited license. The Oracle/Sun Grid Engine 6.2 Update 6 release from http://sun.com/sge come with a 90 day time limited eval license only[…]”

    http://gridengine.sunsource.net/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=38&dsMessageId=264919&orderBy=createDate&orderType=desc

    and

    “Well, to make it clear: Oracle Grid Engine (formerly branded Sun Grid Engine) is *not* a free product (that change to the licensing already has started with SGE 6.2u3 released last year in June): by downloading the software you agree to the terms of use which allow a 90 day evaluation (unless you have a SGE/OGE license from Sun/Oracle).”

    http://gridengine.sunsource.net/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=38&dsMessageId=263405

  6. @all

    Sorry about the delays, had lots of meetings today.

    Yes, the license change appears to be real.

    I am trying to get my head around whether or not a fork is viable. We are willing to commit some resource for this if it is (hosting, VMs for build, etc). I just don’t want to start down this path only to have Oracle close it out. Which, as owners of the code, is well within their rights to do.

    Understand as well, that we’ve been users of SGE for years. This has been the primary queuing system recommendation we have made over time.

  7. I didn’t see the OGE … Darn, they could have had fun with it and gone OGrE …

    More seriously, I do understand why they did what they did, and I see the market for this. Its an important thing in financial services, as well as other markets. So it makes sense.

    But its still annoying to lose access to a good tool.

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